Commons:Deletion requests/File:Холодноярівська піхота знищила російський танк Т-80 03.jpg
File:Холодноярівська піхота знищила російський танк Т-80 03.jpg[edit]
Не свободный файл. Скопирован с сайта. Не понятно какой танк и причина разрушения. Anahoret (talk) 20:08, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Delete As I can see the original source is facebook-account: [1]. Most of soursces that I found are refer to it: [2], [3], [4]. But this original source has no indication that all of its materials are free [5] - so, it means that they are not free. And using them by "armyinform" with free-license is just seem to be a some type of license laundering Commons:License_laundering.--Kursant504 (talk) 02:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
{{Armyinform.com.ua}} — Preceding unsigned comment added by PBKIHX (talk • contribs) 04:55, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Original source is not "armyinform.com.ua" - and they can't use this foto for free. They just took it from facebook. It is illegal. And it is not a first time when Ukraine sources do that. Kursant504 (talk) 13:09, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Its all Ministry of Defense of Ukraine PBKIHX (talk) 03:24, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- It is mean nothing. If you want to say that since the photo was taken by a serviceman, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has the right to dispose of these materials, then you are wrong. That's not how it works. Kursant504 (talk) 06:47, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Its all Ministry of Defense of Ukraine PBKIHX (talk) 03:24, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Keep Per Commons:Deletion requests/File:Destruction of Russian tanks by Ukrainian troops in Mariupol (1).jpg, Commons:Deletion requests/File:Destruction of Russian tanks by Ukrainian troops in Mariupol (2).jpg and Commons:Deletion requests/File:Destruction of Russian tanks by Ukrainian troops in Mariupol (4).jpg, the "reasons" provided by Anahoret are irrelevant and invalid.
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As said previously, what tank is, be it a T-80 or other soviet era, it is irrelevant, but as you asked it is not an T-64, T-72 or T-90, but an T-80, per wheels configuration, as can be seen in other image of the same original link. The cause of destruction is stated to be made by an en:NLAW. Well, what caused, for certain, was a penetration made by an anti-tank weapon as this image clearly shows some of the pretty well documented fatal flaws of the soviet\russian tanks, like the inexistance of blast doors and blow-out panels between the tank ammo and the crew compartments, the problems with the autoloaders and ammo carousels that, when a tank is penetrated, makes the ammo to cook of, the turret to fly far from the chassis and the tank armour bursting like a ballon (as this image show the tank ripped apart and the armour twisted from the inside out).
Also, again we have Kursant504, uploader of putinist propagand imagery from the russian MOD all about this putinist war of agressions, as can be seen by his uploads and frequent deletion requester of images of putinist crimes like the Massacre of Bucha and others under clearly wrong and untrue reasons, tries again to delete images taken and uploaded by the ukranian state organizations, under the cover of "concerns" with unexisting copyright violations, with the same modus operandi.
He nows argues that an image being taken by an ukrainian servicemen during his official dutties (an soldier in active war zone and under martial law is always discharging his official duties) and them this images being published by the official pages of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "It is mean nothing. If you want to say that since the photo was taken by a serviceman, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has the right to dispose of these materials, then you are wrong. That's not how it works. ". Really? In what you base your assumptions? In what ukrainian law, regulation or statute you base your bold claims???
Them why the contradiction with your vivid assertions to the contrary, about image uploaded by you, where is the case of an image taken by a soviet military photograph during WW2 and the same image being published by the Russia Ministry of Defense website, you said that "The photographer was a war correspondent of the "Krasnaya Zvezda" newspaper and serves in the Soviet army. Taking these photos was his job, his duties in military service. And the results of his work belong to the Soviet army (as a newspaper owner) and now to its legal successor - the Ministry of Defense of Russia (as the current owner of the newspaper). 1) Why Mil.ru can't use them as they want?". So when is the Russian MOD it can dispose of the copyright of soviet military photos, but the Ukrainian Armed Forces cannot dispose of the photos taken by the servicemen of Ukrainian Armed Forces during their active duty? What a flagrant contradiction you have here.
The Facebook link you mention if from the Facebook "Official page of the 93rd separate mechanized brigade "Cold Yar" of the Operational Command "East" of the Land Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", fact that you conveniently "forgot" to mention that it is a official page of an active unit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. You also forgot, in the links that you provided, to mention that the same images where published by the Facebook official page of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine·
You also, conviniently, forgot to mention that the image clearly was sourced from the official website of the Inform agency of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine ArmyInform, where it is clearly stated that "© 2022, Інформаційне агентство АрміяInform Матеріали на сайті розміщені на умовах ліцензії Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International, якщо не вказано іншого." or "© 2022, ArmyInform News Agency The materials on the site are posted under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International license, unless otherwise stated."
So you have that clearly say that this image was taken\released by the Ukranian Armed Forces, so there is clear provenance and authorship. Any similar arguments and zero solid proofs, as in other deletion requests, by the deletion requester are merely attempts to hide images of the putinist Z agression and how the dream of a quick, unopposed and triumphant victory were defeated. Tm (talk) 02:22, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, the press service of the 93rd brigade of Ukrainian Armed Forces works for Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. That means this image was taken as part of that person's official duties. --VoidWanderer (talk) 20:00, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Kept: per discussion and the source, https://armyinform.com.ua/2022/03/25/holodnoyarivska-pihota-znyshhyla-rosijskyj-tank-t-80/. --Ellywa (talk) 10:38, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
